David Paleologos – Ӱ America's Education News Source Wed, 09 Feb 2022 20:13:01 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 /wp-content/uploads/2022/05/cropped-74_favicon-32x32.png David Paleologos – Ӱ 32 32 Interview: Pollster David Paleologos on School Politics in 2022 /article/people-are-throwing-down-the-gauntlet-pollster-david-paleologos-talks-covid-the-shifting-politics-around-education-how-it-could-shape-the-2022-midterms/ Thu, 10 Feb 2022 12:15:00 +0000 /?post_type=article&p=584593 See previous 74 Interviews: Andrew Rotherham on the Virginia governor’s race, activist Tina Descovich on school board politics, and author Bonnie Kerrigan Snyder on free speech and Critical Race Theory. The full archive is here.

Off-year elections function as political weathervanes, offering the first concrete data on the electorate’s ever-changing moods.

Last November, Democrats watched nervously as the indicators began pointing conspicuously rightward. Closing his campaign with a determined focus on education, businessman Glenn Youngkin led a slate of Republicans to victory in Virginia, where Democrats triumphed for much of the last decade and President Biden won a 10-point victory in 2020. Local activists and national political observers agreed that the state’s record of lengthy school closures during the pandemic — along with more recent controversies over equity politics in schools — helped carry the day for the GOP.


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One political expert who took notice was David Paleologos. The director of — a well-regarded polling organization that fields surveys both in Massachusetts and around the country — has examining attitudes about education and other issues in cities like Milwaukee, Los Angeles, and Oklahoma City. In a conversation with Ӱ conducted in the immediate aftermath of last fall’s elections, Paleologos noted the huge electoral challenge facing Democrats if their rivals “can even be competitive — forget leading — among those primarily concerned with education.”

With the 2022 midterm elections less than a year away and the Omicron variant bringing a new wave of school closures, Ӱ’s Kevin Mahnken spoke again with the Massachusetts pollster to discuss the public salience of K-12 issues and the Democrats’ options to steady the ship. To win the swing voters who will likely decide election outcomes this November, he says, the party will need to rediscover the art of political branding and counter Republicans’ efforts to use schools as a wedge.

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.

It’s been a few months since the startling results in Virginia. What changes, if any, have you perceived in how voters are responding to education issues?

My sense is that it’s dissipated somewhat, that voters are now more concerned about inflation, the economy, and COVID more specifically. What Democrats have to do is grab back the issue of education on its face. What Republicans have to do is say, “There’s a disconnect between Democrats and swing voters,” and last fall was just an indication of that. Maybe they’ll pick a different issue next fall, or maybe when we have fall enrollment again, the same issues will resurface — the teaching of CRT [critical race theory] and so on.

On the one hand, Democrats are poised to take back the issue, which has always been strong for Democrats. But Republicans can yield the issue while still preserving the narrative that Democrats are disconnected. They don’t necessarily need the K-12 issue as it stood prominently in the Virginia race and in New Jersey, but it could be one they try to press with swing voters.

Education was a kind of meta-issue last year, encompassing several controversies about public health, curriculum, and even transgender rights. Perhaps this was because COVID disrupted a social service that people had long taken for granted, but I wouldn’t have predicted that schools would command so much attention for an entire year.

Terry McAuliffe didn’t help the Democratic Party with . From his lips to the swing voters’ ears, they had a problem. But it’s true that there were multiple levels within education that Republicans kept exploiting, and make no mistake, they’re looking at the polling data. They’re looking at parents in the suburbs, especially women, who are key to the swing vote.

And what does a suburban parent care about? Health care and education. When you have one of those issues, and you can point the finger at Democrats and say, “They’re not your party, they don’t want you involved in the process” — that can be a very effective message with moms, who are very territorial about their children’s education. Republicans were painting Democrats as the anti-suburban-mom party, and Democrats really didn’t have the time or the research to counter that message [in Virginia]. They have the time now, and the research to retool. The question is whether their counterargument is enough to stick with those same voters.

Either way, I think the Democrats’ m.o. of trying to make Trump the bogeyman in the midterms didn’t work in Virginia or New Jersey because they were swinging at nothing. Trump wasn’t in Virginia except when Democrats introduced his name, so it just wasn’t as acute as it was when he was on the ballot. Democrats need to reshape their messaging there.

The major change in educational conditions since last November has definitely been the rise of Omicron, and the combination of school closures and staff shortages that have resulted. A found respondents opposing a return to virtual instruction by a 36-point margin. Do you think Nate Silver is right that further closures could be a “huge political liability” for Democrats?

Yeah. And you can couple what Nate said with the fact that colleges have , in back-to-back years, of over 6 percent — it’s like the lowest rate in 50 years. That means students don’t want to learn remotely, and some students can’t.

I’ve got two boys in college. My oldest thrives in both environments, and my youngest hates online instruction. He’s a technology whiz, but he hates Zoom learning, and he likes the eyeball-to-eyeball interaction. Both of them took gap years during COVID, which we hadn’t planned on, and it was tough for them to get back in the swing of things this year. So you have that struggle going on with everybody — that poll question you cited includes young people, parents, grandparents.

When you look at the totality of it, Democrats have to reconcile that poll finding with teachers’ unions, which may be positioning themselves against some Democrats. We may need to see some polls of teachers themselves: What does the rank-and-file teacher want to do? Do they feel safe? And do they totally align with their unions’ positions? It’s a problem, but there’s really no way to say whether or not the education issue and the coronavirus question will be relevant next fall.

It is right now, and that poll finding was powerful. People are throwing down the gauntlet, like, “Enough is enough, we’re done with this.” Think about that, if you’re a Democratic candidate in a swing district next fall. Obviously, you’re going to poll [remote learning] in your district, and there are good arguments on both sides. But if you’re trying to win the middle, the middle on that question is “no.”

It seems like there are figures within the Democratic orbit who are hearing that message. Pollster Brian Stryker, for example, has been about public opinion for months. Do you think the party is starting to respond to what they’re seeing from their constituents?

More and more, yes, and it goes back to the point I made about Virginia. Republicans painted this disconnect, and any time you have a hot-button issue like CRT or school closures, you can use that as a prop to get at the larger point: Democrats are disconnected. That’s what they did [last fall], and anyone who was truly on the fence — those precious people who actually swing elections — they’d had enough. Especially people who saw their children or grandchildren struggle with remote learning.

This isn’t as related to education, but the other issue is that the number of people reporting mental health problems is skyrocketing. Domestic violence is up as well. So for people who had kids trying to learn at home, where chaos is up and the quality of the learning experience is down, of course that’s going to be unattractive to the people who swing elections.

But there is some countervailing evidence. Since the pandemic began, surveys have shown that many parents — particularly from low-income and non-white families — actually favor online instruction as a means of suppressing COVID. What do we do with the apparent contradictions here, including majorities that seemingly fear their kids catching COVID and don’t want to close schools? Is this about different pollsters asking different questions?

In part, we are asking different questions. But you’ve also got to ask, who matters next November? What party affiliation, what income level, what race, what matters next November? It’s not the people who are registered Democrats, low-income persons of color; they’re voting Democrat all the way down. And it’s not the other side; you can put anyone on the ballot, and they’re going to vote Republican. It’s the people in the middle that are key here. For Democrats to be competitive in Congress, they have to win the people in the middle.

This is why Biden has had such a big problem passing legislation with Senators Sinema and Manchin. They’ve positioned themselves as the ultimate defenders of swing voters, and both happen to be Democrats. I think the reason why Biden is getting hit so hard is that he sold himself as a person who would reach across the aisle. When he was campaigning, his schtick was, “I’ve been in the Senate so long, I have relationships that go back years, I’ll pull a couple Republicans here and there and get the job done.” And just the opposite has happened — not only hasn’t he pulled any Republicans in for any significant legislation, he’s lost a Democrat in the process.

When you sell yourself like Biden did, that becomes a problem. My youngest son doesn’t know much about AOC [Alexandria Ocasio Cortez], but he likes her because she’s on his media, and there’s something cool about liking AOC. So you’ve got Biden trying to reach across the aisle with one hand, hold Democrats in line with the other hand, and protect the party from losing the middle.

Through Suffolk’s with USA Today, you’ve surveyed a diverse array of urban areas over the last few months: Milwaukee, Detroit, Los Angeles, Louisville, and Oklahoma City. Is K-12 education still a leading issue in these places, as it was last fall?

It is, and in areas where there are high Hispanic populations, education is even more important. The issue of education is a good one if you’re trying to appeal to Hispanic voters.

More generally, we found in those five cities that there were two branding issues for Democrats that were costly. One was about police funding. In Question One, people overwhelmingly oppose “defunding the police”; in Question Two, if you ask them whether they’d rotate money from police budgets to social services and homelessness, they’re all for that — which is what defunding the police is! So that was one branding issue.

The other was CRT. If you ask people in a poll, “Do you support or oppose CRT in classrooms?,” they oppose it. But if you ask, “Do you support or oppose teaching the history of slavery and its current impact in society?,” people support that, even in places like Oklahoma City. I think the lesson is that Democrats have to get better at branding. People can say what they want about someone like Bill Clinton, but he was a very good brander. That’s a place where Democrats can certainly improve.

I’m sure that Republicans are going to have a way to nationalize this. [In 1994], ; now it’ll be the “Contract with Parents.” In debates, every Democrat will be asked, “Do you support the Contract with Parents?” That’s a box that immediately closes around candidates. If they say yes, they’re agreeing to a lot of stuff that might be counter to the Democratic Party’s official position. But if they say, “No, it’s a bogus contract,” then all you’ll see in TV ads is the candidate saying no.

Maybe there’s a bit of a void in terms of young, strategic talent on the Democratic side. I don’t know, but I do know that their branding hasn’t been the best, and there’s polling data everywhere to back that up.

You’re identifying what sound like structural problems in Democratic political messaging. You’re non-partisan, but what would your advice be to them to address some of the problems we’ve talked about?

The party is equipped — it has the resources and the organizational structure — to manage this. Implementation will be tough because there are a few wings to the Democratic Party. But these are all lessons, and we’ve got another election coming up in 11 months. A lot more research needs to be done, and it has to be done carefully.

But [strategy] comes from higher-ups in the party; you have to have good people in those positions who don’t make blunders, because there’s so much on the line this fall.

This narrative that outraged suburban parents will punish Democrats has certainly gotten some traction in early 2022. There have already been some to accompany the polling. But for now, it’s still conjectural. Can you shine any light on how and when we’ll know if backlash to Democratic positions on education will actually translate to election results?

I think we’ll know before the summer because we’re going to have a trajectory for the Omicron cases. We’re going to have a very good scientific forecast, and we’ll know by then whether there’s another variant in play. If there isn’t, the narratives change.

The reason why is because it’s hot right now. There are school committee elections that are happening this spring, and elections for all the town committee members and selectmen. They’re trying to use this issue to seed bigger candidates down the line by getting them elected at the local level. It makes total sense to me because if they wait until this fall, and the issue goes away, they’re going to be scrambling to put together an effective political strategy.

So the Republicans will ride the tide through this spring. But come mid-June, I think we’ll have a clearer picture on COVID. And we’ll certainly have a clearer picture of the economy and whether interest rate hikes have created a problem there. That’s my best guess at the timeline.

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Will the Tea Party of 2022 Emerge from the Debate over Schools? /article/will-the-tea-party-of-2022-emerge-from-the-debate-over-schools-virginia-election-offers-gop-template-for-midterms/ Wed, 10 Nov 2021 12:15:00 +0000 /?post_type=article&p=580513 One of the last public opinion surveys conducted before last week’s Virginia governor’s election was released by the Suffolk University Political Research Center on October 26. Its mirrored those of other polls that dropped around that time: Education, usually a political afterthought, had become one of voters’ biggest concerns leading in the final weeks of the campaign. And among respondents who prioritized schools above other policy questions, Democratic candidate Terry McAuliffe was losing badly to Republican Glenn Youngkin, even as likely voters deadlocked overall. 

Two weeks later, after a hectic Election Day in which McAuliffe was denied his bid for a second gubernatorial term and New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy barely survived his own brush with an unheralded Republican challenger, the poll’s findings offer one explanation of what went wrong for Democrats in their first electoral test of the Biden era.


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David Paleologos, Suffolk’s chief pollster, noted that Democrats have traditionally been the party entrusted by voters to oversee K-12 schools. Healthcare and education have been “the two issue pillars” for the party in the minds of the public, countering Republicans’ traditional edge on taxes and national security. But in Virginia, at least, one of their supports had given way; while 75 percent of healthcare-focused respondents in Suffolk’s poll approved of Joe Biden’s performance as president, just 38 percent of education-focused respondents did.

“There’s a broader potential problem for Democrats when Republican candidates can even be competitive — forget leading — among those primarily concerned with education,” said Paleolgos. “I think that is something that should give Democrats pause.”

The results of the 2021 election cycle will take more than a few weeks to parse, as county-level returns are dissected by number-crunchers in both parties. And the importance of education must also be weighed against structural challenges that couldn’t have been avoided; dating back to the 1970s, the party holding the White House almost never wins the Virginia governorship, while no Democrat has been reelected as New Jersey’s governor under any circumstances. 

But two things have become clear in light of the Democrats’ dismal results. The first is that losing their advantage on a signature issue can cost them dearly, even in blue-trending states where they have nominated popular candidates. The second is that both sides now have an incentive to make education a major priority in 2022, when control over the U.S. House, the Senate, and 36 governorships will be at stake.

Joanne Weiss

And the public’s discontent with school systems, ranging from their performance during COVID to their handling of controversial subjects like race and gender, shows no sign of abating. Joanne Weiss, an education consultant who served as chief of staff to Education Secretary Arne Duncan in the Obama White House, said that parents’ fear and anger had first been triggered by the disruptions of the pandemic. But the gradual decline in COVID cases and deaths won’t necessarily bring an end to their outrage, she added.

“COVID response required nimbleness and creativity that the education system was incapable of giving,” Weiss said in an email. “So while COVID was the spark that ignited it, that pile of kindling has been sitting there, unattended, for years. Even if COVID were to magically disappear tomorrow, the smoldering would continue.” 

McAulliffe’s political miscue

Virginia Republicans were talking about education throughout their gubernatorial primary and into the general election. But it took a Democrat to bring the issue to national attention.

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McAuliffe, a longtime Democratic campaign operative who first served as the state’s governor from 2014 to 2018, infamously said in a September debate that he didn’t believe “parents should be telling schools what they should teach.” The tossed-off remark, made in response to several high-profile cases of Virginia parents objecting to the inclusion of controversial materials in classrooms and school libraries, quickly proved to be the decisive political miscue of 2021.

In a stroke, McAuliffe’s words helped consolidate multiple strands of public disapproval (in a , two senior Youngkin campaign strategists pointed to the moment as “the piece that tied it all together”). Many parents objected to Virginia’s generally deliberate pace of reopening schools to in-person instruction; others — instigated as much by local curricular debates as national messaging campaigns by Fox News and other conservative outlets — sought to ban instruction of race issues that has been grouped under the label of critical race theory. Both were invigorated by the former governor’s apparent dismissal of family concerns. 

Stephen Farnsworth, a political scientist at the University of Mary Washington in Fredericksburg, Va., said that while McAuliffe’s campaign eventually attempted to clarify his meaning, the efforts were “too little, too late.” 

“It really became the core of the Youngkin campaign,” Farnsworth said. “The campaign almost entirely morphed into a conversation about parents’ rights in education once McAuliffe made his misstatement.”

Keri Rodrigues, a Massachusetts Democrat and former labor organizer who leads the National Parents Union, said the defeat that followed was proof that Democrats had “taken their legacy as champions of public education for granted.” Though of activists attempting to curb the influence of critical race theory, Rodrigues has also pilloried Democrats for their relationships with teacher’s unions (McAuliffe campaigned with American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten during the race’s final days) and argued that the party had failed to hold educational systems accountable during the pandemic.

“We saw the catastrophic failure of our nation’s public education system happen in our living rooms, and we were left to fend for ourselves,” Rodrigues said in an email. “Since that point, Democrats have outright rejected any criticism of the performance of these systems or recovery efforts — while parents and families have continued to be left struggling with their concerns unheard.”

Courtesy of Keri Rodrigues

Democrats running in both state-level and congressional races next year will benefit from the example of McAuliffe’s gaffe, and Farnsworth theorized that they could avoid similar missteps by calling for school governance to be led by a “partnership” between parents and education professionals. Moreover, the party will still have the opportunity to pass a host of family- and school-related initiatives through its Build Back Better legislation, including universal preschool, paid family leave, and a permanent expansion of the Child Tax Credit. Given a year to advertise those achievements and watch COVID’s threat to public health slowly diminish, Democrats could once again seize the initiative on a policy area they have historically dominated.

According to polling data provided by Gallup, Inc., the public has trusted Democrats more on education almost continuously for the last three decades. Election-year polls from 1992, 1996, 2000, 2008, and 2016 all found respondents favoring Democratic presidential candidates to manage schools, usually by double-digit margins. (Then-president George W. Bush took a late lead on the issue in his 2004 contest with John Kerry, and no data could be found for the 2012 presidential election at the time of publication.)

But Paleologos said that Democrats’ failure in Virginia had already consigned next year’s crop of candidates to answering press questions about whether parents should have input in how schools are run. Pointing to past Republican successes with pre-election platforms like 1994’s Contract with America, he predicted the GOP would seek to use education as a wedge to split liberal Democrats from the center.

“Even if you pass some really progressive education legislation, Republican candidates are going to force Democrats to” make some commitment to parental control over K-12 schools, Paleologos said. “Now, a smart Democratic candidate would say, ‘Yeah, I’ll sign a Contract with Parents,’ but then they’re going to be at odds with their progressive base.”

Push for a ‘red wave’

Youngkin’s victory served as a proof of concept for the notion that a deft Republican could win votes by crafting his closing argument around schools. But it also cast doubt on Democrats’ own campaign strategy of tying opponents to Donald Trump at every opportunity.

David Paleologos

Paleologos observed that the first-time candidate’s template — one that could be exported next year to battleground states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Maine, where Democratic governors will be running for reelection — was to win back middle-class voters in the suburbs while “one-upping Trump in rural areas, even without having Trump next to him.” It’s unknown how much Trump, who has supercharged Republican turnout in two national races, intends to campaign with GOP hopefuls next year, and that he remains a deeply divisive figure. But Youngkin enjoyed a surge in downstate support even in Trump’s absence, riding the former president’s endorsement to nearly half a million more votes than the Republican gubernatorial nominee received in 2017.

Republicans’ hopes for a red wave will rest on the enthusiasm of their base, which has shown itself to be extremely animated by K-12 issues. A released in August found that 73 percent of American parents were either somewhat or completely satisfied with the quality of their children’s education, roughly in line with previous years. But a detailed breakdown of the results provided by the organization found that 34 percent of Republicans described themselves as “completely dissatisfied” with schools, by far the highest level for that group since 2001. Twenty-five percent of independents said the same, representing a seven-point jump since before the pandemic began.

If the stage is set for a national push, the party seems ready to make one. In the immediate aftermath of last week’s elections, at the same time Democrats took steps to finalize the framework of their Build Back Better legislation, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy that Republicans would soon introduce a “parents’ bill of rights” to promote transparency in curricular content and protect the participation of parents in school governance.

Tea Party protestors in Washington, 2010. Anti-CRT activists could look to the Obama-era movement as a model for their efforts to oust Democrats in 2022. (Brooks Kraft LLC / Getty Images)

The question is whether such initiatives are the stuff that majorities are made on. The last midterm wave favoring Republicans came in 2010, when right-wing activists incensed over deficits, government spending, and Obamacare coalesced in an amorphous movement known as the Tea Party. A revival of that feat will require coordination and skilled messaging, Farnsworth said, but education could offer a useful conduit for conservative energies that exist already.

“In many ways, the critical race theory debate of 2021 is just the latest version of the death panel conversation from Obamacare, or the Willie Horton story of 1988. The question isn’t whether this is an accurate portrayal of what’s going on, the question is whether this can be weaponized to benefit Republicans. In 2021, as in 2010, as in 1988, the answer is yes.”

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