The halls of Vincennes University鈥檚 campus on the north side may sound silent to people who can hear.

That鈥檚 intentional. Students who want to become American Sign Language interpreters need complete immersion into a world where most communication is already happening through ASL. That鈥檚 why the campus is located at the Indiana School for the Deaf.

痴颈苍肠别苍苍别蝉鈥� program is unique: Professors are deaf and teach classes in ASL; and students are also surrounded by Indiana School for the Deaf teachers and students, especially at events outside of class.

鈥淭he second that we walk in these doors and we walk into a classroom, our voices have to be off,鈥� said Abigayle Suding, a first-year student. 鈥淚t’s all sign language.鈥�

Vincennes professors know ASL is more than a means of communication. By sharing their lived experiences of being deaf, faculty help bring students who can hear into the Deaf community and culture.

鈥淲ithout one, you cannot understand the other,鈥� department chair Bonnie Conner said through an ASL interpreter. 鈥淭hat culture is ingrained in deaf people, and therefore, they are the only ones who can truly and authentically teach it to other people.鈥�

Learning Deaf culture

Though Vincennes University鈥檚 main campus is in southern Indiana, Indianapolis has a large and vibrant Deaf community. In 2020, Marion County was home to over 78,000 deaf and hard of hearing people, .

Faculty wanted students to be able to interact with the community and attend events in Indianapolis, which gives students insights they can鈥檛 learn in the classroom. Knowing that culture will ultimately help students become better at ASL, Conner said.

鈥淵ou can teach it and teach it and teach it all day long,鈥� Conner said. 鈥淗owever, when it’s time and you can actually see and witness it and be involved in it in real time, that is something that cannot be taught.鈥�

痴颈苍肠别苍苍别蝉鈥� program, which has about 40 students, offers associate degrees and certificates, as well as some dual credit options for high schoolers. A majority of the students go on to receive their bachelor’s degrees in ASL interpreting.

Learning ASL as a language goes far beyond signing the alphabet. The language has its own grammar and syntax, which includes using facial expressions to communicate your tone.

As part of the program, students also take Deaf culture and community classes. In addition to Deaf history, students learn about cultural nuances, such as turning lights on and off to get attention.

For Conner, it鈥檚 important to communicate to her students that deaf people are not broken and live independent, fulfilling lives.

But she also wants to highlight the barriers she and other deaf people face every day, trying to communicate in a world that鈥檚 set up for people who can hear.

鈥淭eaching these hearing students that it is their jobs to be working alongside us instead of against us, and how to learn how to be advocates for us as well,鈥� she said, 鈥淭hat’s the main goal.鈥�

Many of the students in the program are pursuing careers as ASL interpreters, hoping to fill a critical shortage of interpreters both nationwide and in Indiana. In Indiana, there are only about 200 nationally certified interpreters, according to .

鈥淲e are in desperate need of interpreters, and we need them, at least to communicate,鈥� Conner said. 鈥淚t’s very difficult because so few hearing people actually know American Sign Language.鈥�

Bridging the gap

For Suding and Ethan Akamu, another Vincennes first-year student, signing doesn鈥檛 end in the classroom.

鈥淲e sign the majority of the time,鈥� Akamu said. 鈥淲e probably sign more than we talk. Even in public, people think we’re deaf because we sign.鈥�

Akamu took ASL in high school, where he 鈥渇ell in love with the language.鈥� As a hearing person who鈥檚 involved in the Deaf community, it鈥檚 important to him to share it with the people in his life.

鈥淣ot a lot of hearing people know how to communicate with the Deaf culture and Deaf community,鈥� Akamu said. 鈥淚 want to help bridge that gap so that there’s not as much of a communication barrier.鈥�

Like Akamu, many students in the program have previously taken ASL in high school. But some have even deeper connections to the community.

Marybeth Goodwin, 25, is a child of deaf adults. Her first language was ASL, and she鈥檚 been signing all her life. She鈥檚 hoping to become an interpreter to continue to serve the community her parents raised her in.

Goodwin, a first-year student, hopes more schools will start offering ASL, especially to young kids. As a hearing person, she wants the world to be a more inclusive place for the Deaf community, which has always welcomed her with open arms.

鈥淲e’ve always got to keep up with that,鈥� she said, 鈥渁nd learn and be an ally for them.鈥�

About 痴颈苍肠别苍苍别蝉鈥� Indianapolis campus

Vincennes University鈥檚 ASL and Deaf Studies program is located at the Indiana School for the Deaf, 1200 42nd St.

You can .

Vincennes also has a flight school located at , where students study aviation technology.

Mirror Indy reporter Sophie Young contributed to this story.

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Comments and questions from the justices seemed to lean toward yes.

鈥淎ll she wants is to be compensated for what she says occurred to her during the period of her education,鈥� Associate Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson said, offering a hypothetical example of a senior who wants to drop out. 鈥淒oes she have to sit in front of a hearing officer and talk about ways in which her education could be changed?鈥� 

While the arguments in the case are complex, they come down to whether Congress meant for students to give up their rights under IDEA 鈥� which does not provide monetary damages 鈥� in order to bring a lawsuit seeking a financial award under the Americans with Disabilities Act. Advocates for students with disabilities argue that was never the intention of the law, while those representing school districts are concerned about the potential for 鈥渄ual-track litigation鈥� under both IDEA and ADA.

鈥淭hat could be extremely expensive for districts,鈥� said Sasha Pudelski, advocacy director for AASA, the School Superintendents Association. A ruling in favor of the plaintiff, she added, 鈥渉as the potential to shift parents鈥� and districts鈥� focus to money rather than educational needs.鈥�

The case, , focuses on a deaf immigrant from Mexico, now 27, who entered the Michigan district in 2004, when he was 9. The district assigned Miguel Perez to an aide who didn鈥檛 know American Sign Language and invented hand signals to communicate with him. 

鈥淭his shameful conduct permanently stunted Miguel’s ability to communicate with the outside world,鈥� said his attorney Roman Martinez. 

The family sued and agreed to a settlement under IDEA that allowed Perez to attend Michigan School for the Deaf. But his parents also sought monetary damages for emotional distress and lost income under ADA.

Shay Dvoretzky, representing the school district, said Congress didn鈥檛 want families to do an end run around the administrative process outlined in special education law 鈥� such as attending a resolution conference and filing a formal complaint 鈥� in order to seek damages.

鈥淐ongress carefully crafted those procedures, and it wanted parents and school districts to go through them鈥� in order to ensure the student receives appropriate services, he said.

But Justice Elena Kagan, one of the liberals on the court, said it鈥檚 unlikely families would pass up services for a child under IDEA in order to reserve their right to sue.

鈥淚t’s the parents that have the greater incentive to get the education fixed for their child,鈥� she said. 

鈥楥annot remedy the harm鈥�

Rebecca Spar, an attorney with the New Jersey-based Education Law Center, who has argued special education cases, said a key issue is Perez鈥檚 age. His parents brought the case after the district told him he would be eligible only for a certificate of completion, not a diploma.

If a child is denied services at a young age, the educational relief provided through IDEA can make a real difference in the child鈥檚 future, she said. But the options for older students are far more limited. 

鈥淲hen you get older, there are all kinds of complications,鈥� she said. 鈥漈hen you cannot remedy the harm.鈥�

Kagan and Dvoretzky also exchanged words over the meaning of relief. Dvoretzky suggested it doesn鈥檛 necessarily mean money and that it was sufficient for the district to address Perez鈥檚 loss of an appropriate education by getting him into the school for the deaf.

鈥淚t’s 鈥� a situation where you may not get what you ask for, but you get what you need,鈥� he said.

But Kagan said it鈥檚 clear what the family is seeking. 

鈥淚t’s relief in the normal sense: What did you get? How much money was put on the table?鈥� she said.

If the court rules for Perez, it鈥檚 possible districts would include language in any IDEA settlement that parents are giving up their rights to sue under other laws. 

鈥淭hat would close the door for ADA relief,鈥� Pudelski said.

Martinez said he can鈥檛 predict whether the court will allow Perez鈥檚 ADA lawsuit to move forward, but the decision has 鈥渋mportant implications not only for Miguel, but for parents and students across the country.鈥�